SapphireHOST

Thank you whorsew for agreeing to come this morning and talk to us

whorsew

you are welcome

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whorsew

would you like me to speak about myself first or does everyone know who i am

jean

I think we all know you

whorsew

okay i will start with my little disclaimer first

whorsew

this is just one of many ways numbers are used. it was taught to me by mygrandmother who was cherokee. in no way am i saying this is the only way cherokees use numbers or that this is the only way native americans use them

whorsew

so i already talked on the wheel and the four aspects of being human and the beginning of dreams and visions so if you missed them please check this out so that you will have the whole teaching

whorsew

now for numbers, when having a dream or a vision everything has meaning, you break down the dream with color, plants, animals, people, and numbers

whorsew

starting with 0, 0 is the wheel itself, whole, undivided, without flaw, it is all of life and all of death. it is the beginning and the end, it is now this second, this is when you are in fog where there is nothing else present and cannot even see yourself - this is 0

whorsew

1 is you, he universe unfolds itself around you with you being in the center

josjoy

this goes for visions as well as dreams?

whorsew

yes dreams and visions

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whorsew

so if you know you are one then you know a part of you is in each of the directions, it also shows that you are part of all that is, you are the medicine wheel and the medicine wheel is you, one is saying see the sacredness of your self

whorsew

okay any question yet

Stones77

with you so far

SapphireHOST

what was the fog?

jean

me to

whorsew

if in a dream or vision and you end up in fog, that is what i mean by fog, but heavy fog where you cannot see anything

whorsew

2 is the lesson of the PIPE, the stem is completely male and is grandfather sun, the bowl is completely female and is grandmother earth. when joined together they become the GREAT SPIRIT. Neither male nor female, but the perfect balance of both

josjoy

lovely!

whorsew

we to are both male and female

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jean

beautiful

whorsew

when we balance our thinking with our emotions and are emotions with our thinking we become a sexless soul, we neither need to prove we are feminine or masculine

josjoy

i know, this is so incredible..

whorsew

we accept the body we have chosen to live in and use it for the purpose we have choose to use it for, we see others as spirit not male or female, two is balancing in this way

whorsew

3 is when male and female have joined all which is created in this balance is sacred, this is not only the birth of a child but also what is created by the hands, the words you speak, the beating of the drum, the songs you sing, food, art, all that is created in balance of male and female. three says you must be in balance to create that which is sacred...questions

SapphireHOST

I have one

josjoy

so first balance, then create?

whorsew

yes always josjoy

josjoy

that creation is sacred?

whorsew

yes, this is how power tools are made, pipe, healing tools, things like that, shields, foods for ceremonies, sacred songs, drums and rattles

whorsew

sapphire your question

SapphireHOST

I just wondered what happened if we forgot to balance and did these things...

whorsew

they would not be as powerful as they can be

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whorsew

when you remove yourself from the creative process then spirit does the creating by becoming a sexless soul self leaves and spirit comes in and takes over

whorsew

does that answer your question sapphire

SapphireHOST

yes ty

whorsew

any others? i will tie this all in when i finish

whorsew

okay number four

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whorsew

hi sandcastle pull up a chair

whorsew

4 contains all that is

whorsew

when we use the medicine wheel we go to the direction that contains the energy we need or the being we wish to communicate with everything we need for our physical life is contained in one of the four directions yet at the same time they are are a wheel in and of themself

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whorsew

we are of four parts the emotional the physical the intellectual, the spiritual. there are four seasons, there are four races, when four comes up it is saying much attention is needed in connecting to the whole, not just a part....questions?

Aquastar

not me

elsa

no

jean

?

whorsew

okay jean your question

jean

what is the 4 races.,...is that all of humanity....

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whorsew

white red black and yellow

jean

ok,,ty

whorsew

number 5, five is motion

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whorsew

if you set up a simple wheel, there is only one stone that represents all that is, but if you expand it to include the four directions you get movement, t is the sunrise and sunset which is never at the same time they cause the wheel to move, the south moves eastwards during summer then westward during winter. mid day is the south rock on wheel this changes, mid night is north rock on wheel it changes

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five says motion is natural and do not fear shifting and moving

jean

does it matter as to what type of stone you place in those areas

mmx

good question

whorsew

no it can be beads but certain rocks like certain places

jean

such as

whorsew

such as rose quarts like to be in place where mother earth or moon is on the wheel, obsidian likes west

josjoy

can you "ask" the stone? or better to go with qualities of the stones..

whorsew

clear quartz likes anyplace on wheel

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whorsew

stones will help you by telling you where to place them yes but also color and color of directions will play in where they go, one thing i would like to add is some rocks do not like to be in the sun.. such as amethyst

josjoy

or opal

whorsew

so be careful with them

grace

"soft" rocks whitehorse?

whorsew

what about soft rocks

grace

avoid those in the sun?

whorsew

some like the sun some do not

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whorsew

soap stone likes the sun-very soft

josjoy

did you talk about "creating" the Wheel each and every time you use it? or leave it in place?

whorsew

no you can make everytime or leave up to you

whorsew

are you ready for 6

mmx

go

jean

boy,,now you need to have a talk about how to tell the differant stones....

Stones77

lol

SapphireHOST

great idea!!!!

josjoy

Yeah!

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whorsew

let me finish this first

okay 6, six is the wisdom that comes from motion, it is the understanding

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whorsew

like when you were a kid and mother said don't touch the stove or you will get burned, as you grew you learned that the stove would burn you only when a fire was in it and you could clean stove when there was no fire. the motion of cleaning when no fire is six, six says use motion (experence) as a wisdom tool

whorsew

these numbers are not numbers as others may see them

light

so is this always the wisdom gleaned from experience?

mmx

?

whorsew

wisdom thru motion

whorsew

yes mmx

mmx

why some think of 6 as negative?

whorsew

okay i know some people relate six to a negitive but i do not

mmx

ok