| Chat Transcript: Healing CFIDS | |
| Guest
Speaker: Thomas Day
Oates Jr. Date: October 27, 2001 Discussion Topic: Finding Your Own Healing Path Page: 1 2 3 |
| <angel> | thomas what if we can't get rid of the stressors in our life right now |
| <thomasday> | ok. things change |
| <Rainbow7> | ty |
| <thomasday> | you will not always have these stressors and when the opportunity arrives make a differant choice |
| <thomasday> | also be VERY weary of the word CAN'T |
| <angel> | ok so even if we still have then it will help to find the peace that we are looking for |
| * Guest1253 | even if you can shift the stress for small amounts of time when you are able, it will add to healing right t? |
| <zeke> | for obsidian, the difference is between having a terminal diagnosis and a diagnosis that you must learn to live with |
| <thomasday> | yyy |
| <MorriganHOST> | yes guest! |
| <thomasday> | can't implies that we have no choice |
| <CandyHOST> | ditto Guest ty |
| <thomasday> | this is a very dangerious thought |
| <thomasday> | we all are born with free will |
| <thomasday> | when we deny ourself the right of choice by saying "I can't " we are inviting god to completely destroy our live until we see that yes indeed we have a choice |
| <lightbr> | And because we have free will...we can only get help from the universe if we ask... |
| <thomasday> | it is the rule number 1....we all have infinite choices in every moment |
| <thomasday> | please do not forget this |
| <MorriganHOST> | so then in chosing to not accept the diagnosis that i would never walk again...i wasn't fighting my illness i was using free will when i got out of the chair? |
| <Guest1253> | charles dubois said, the important thing is being willing at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become |
| <thomasday> | we may not like the choices but they are there |
| <thomasday> | that would depend on you intention. |
| <Rainbow7> | there is a reason for every thing |
| <Guest1253> | do you find the best choices are usually the hard choices? |
| <MorriganHOST> | trying to understand..because i walk today because i fight my illness and don't give in to it |
| <MorriganHOST> | but that is my choice to do so |
| <lightbr> | that's where the confusion comes in...are we choosing to be ill with our CFS?? |
| <thomasday> | very good |
| <Rainbow7> | very hard to understand Morrigan but the accepting part is what we fight |
| <zeke> | you are fighting yourself then as you aren't seperate from illness |
| <lightbr> | I must really be being resistant with this concept |
| <thomasday> | oh boy...not conciously. I certainly did not choose it 10 years ago |
| <thomasday> | it is like if you got a speeding ticket in a forign country because you did not understand the road signs you still get put in jail. But you may say "I can't read chinese" That does not matter. |
| <yayish> | what causes CFS? |
| <lightbr> | So maybe I'm not reading the signs of the lesson I'm to learn from this illness?? |
| <Rainbow7> | this is also a Cultural thing |
| <thomasday> | we are governed by universal laws |
| <thomasday> | when we live out of harmony with them . we become sick, we are thrown in jail |
| <thomasday> | |
| <lightbr> | right...I agree...so I'm out of harmony...out of balance....blocked in some way?? |
| <thomasday> | just because we are not aware of them does not excuse us from living within them |
| <lightbr> | It's filling some purpose?? |
| <Rainbow7> | individual culturals look at illness in many different ways |
| <zeke> | illness serves the ill in some way |
| <thomasday> | healing also involves seeing how we are living out of balance and correcting the imbalances, thus moving back into harmony with life. Wholeness |
| <lightbr> | So if I ask for help...and keep a journal...then some common theme will come through?? |
| <thomasday> | yyy |
| <lightbr> | hummm |
| <thomasday> | guarantee it |
| <Rainbow7> | it's the acceptance of what we look like and how we do things via palsy or mental illness or just pain |
| <thomasday> | it must be a heartfelt asking |
| <angel> | can i ask how to find the peace? |
| <lightbr> | ok...next...if I find the theme....purpose...how do I get over the resistance to change this?? |
| <thomasday> | I don't understand your question rainbow |
| <thomasday> | sure |
| <thomasday> | how to find peace... |
| <thomasday> | um |
| <angel> | that dream last week felt so good when I had peace for that 1 minute in my dream |
| <thomasday> | Peace is a symptom not a goal. We experience peace when we are present |
| <Rainbow7> | thomas my ? is do you see it in individuals who see things in a cultural way some can't accept all the same way |
| <Guest1253> | :) |
| <MorriganHOST> | a symptom of balance |
| <thomasday> | it is most easily experienced when we do something creative and joyful in the moment |
| <thomasday> | I am not advocating any ""one way"" peace if cultivated by following our own hearts path. Where that leads you is your path. |
| <MorriganHOST> | so if i understand correctly, we will be at peace when we give our energy to joyful things instead of things that bring us pain or stress |
| <thomasday> | yyy...like trading :-) |
| <lightbr> | Can you address ""resistance""...even if we find the thread, lesson, etc...how do we get over the resistance |
| <thomasday> | resistance...umm..thats a tuffy |
| <lightbr> | yes...I find I have very strong resistance... |
| <thomasday> | I think it must be fear related |
| <lightbr> | could be |
| <thomasday> | healing involves change |
| <MorriganHOST> | the fear of feeling better? |
| <Guest1253> | resistance for me personally revolves around fear |
| <thomasday> | and people would rather die than change...the ego dies hard |
| <zeke> | the fear of changing, letting go of illness, as illness serves the ill |
| <lightbr> | soooo...how do you address that...trick your ego....change it??? |
| <thomasday> | it's just change. it's hard...letting go of an old life. it's like a death in the family |
| <lightbr> | are there techniques?? |
| <thomasday> | man I just got to the point where I would do anything in order to heal |
| <thomasday> | all of my energy, focus, strength revolved around letting go of struggle and cultivating peace |
| <yayish> | lightbr like he says finds an incentive.. how does ""healing"" sound as an incentive... will you drop the resistence for that goal?. |
| <thomasday> | y |
| <angel> | i have to sleep thanks thomas that was great |
| <lightbr> | If I haven't done it by now...it is obviously to me that I must have tremendous resistance |
| <CandyHOST> | love and light to you Angel |
| <thomasday> | we all do |
| <angel> | love and light to all of you |
| <yayish> | out u don't believe it could happen |
| <thomasday> | good night angel thanks for listening |
| <lightbr> | Oh...I have great belief...but something stops me from doing it |
| <Rainbow7> | I have 3 uninvited guests: fear, jealousy, love |
| <thomasday> | beliefs don't heal.....questions that direct our spirit and lives heal |
| <lightbr> | questions?? |
| <yayish> | but u even said.. ask like u truly mean it.. from the heart.. and for that to happen for u truly to mean it u must belief that is all possible... |
| <thomasday> | ask how you may use the energy you have in a joyful creative way? and see what happens to your life |
| <thomasday> | y |
| <lightbr> | I have written that down...and will surely try it |
| <thomasday> | ask over and over. |
| <thomasday> | the answer is out there |
| <lightbr> | yes...I know that spirit does not work on my time frame..LOL |
| <thomasday> | there is nothing but a great hope |
| <thomasday> | yes unfortunately it's none of our ego's business when we heal |
| <lightbr> | LOL...true |
| <thomasday> | well it has got to be getting pretty late on the east coast |
| <lightbr> | You know...I even am resistant about keeping a journal...so much resistance to healing...geezzz |
| <thomasday> | I would be happy to talk to anyone .... |
| <CandyHOST> | tis about 11:15 here |
| <thomasday> | light it's ok, someday you will heal.. |
| <lightbr> | The Yankees lost...and sat. night live is not on yet...LOL |
| <thomasday> | yankees lost. cool |
| <CandyHOST> | ligh the good thing is you know you have the resistance and admit to it |
| <MorriganHOST> | thank you so much for your time and energy thomas |
| <lightbr> | Hey...stop that |
| <CandyHOST> | yes Thomas |
| <thomasday> | thank you for having me |
| <zeke> | yes thomas, GO DIAMONDBACKS! |
| <thomasday> | go randy |
| <Uni> | yes thank you so very much thomas |
| <yayish> | night n thanks to all n mr thomas |
| <zeke> | lol |
| <CandyHOST> | thanks so much for all the wonderful insight |
| <thomasday> | he use to play for seattle |
| <zeke> | It was great meeting you, thomas |
| <Rainbow7> | ty thomasday |
| <lightbr> | Thank you thomas...I enjoyed your insight |
| <thomasday> | My pleasure |
| <Uni> | so have i very much so |
| <CandyHOST> | light yours is pretty good too I might add |
| <thomasday> | sefilm@mindspring.com |
| <CandyHOST> | ty |
| <thomasday> | 206-216-0720 |
| <Uni> | ty thomas |
| <lightbr> | Candy...have been working on it a long time...but still sick...LOL but by choice I'm sure |
| <thomasday> | www.healing-peace.com |
| <CandyHOST> | Possibly if you would like we could have another chat session with you Tom? |
| <thomasday> | good night |
| <thomasday> | yes |
| <CandyHOST> | light know that feeling well <G> |
| <CandyHOST> | Love and Light to you Tom |
| <Uni> | blessings LLL ((((((thomas)))))) ty again so much |
| <MorriganHOST> | may you walk in balance, beauty and love thomas |
| <thomasday> | and to you all |
| <CandyHOST> | and again thank you for all your time |
| <Uni> | sweet blissful dreams thomas |
| <Rainbow7> | Peace Be With You Piece By Piece |
| <lightbr> | Love and light to all of you... |
| <Rainbow7> | Peace |
| <Rainbow7> | me too |
| <thomasday> | thanks good night. :-) |
